Is freedom a religious or secular idea? / S D Rodrian

[Aardvark]

Is freedom a religious or secular idea?

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2011/02/a_freedom_agenda/all.html?hpid=talkbox1

Freedom is an absolutely (impossible to
separate from) secular idea/principle:
How can anyone possibly conceive of the
illogical and utterly ridiculous notion of
human freedom within the concept of a
lifetime observing/worshipping a "being"
(or creature) "higher" than man?!? Under
such obvious conditions of uncontestable
subservience man becomes a mere slave
(of secondary or little importance even
to himself): Only God is important. Man
matters little or not at all. Therefore, if
men must be sacrificed for the sake of
God, what possible objection could a
mere man raise?!? (And so it is in Islam,
where in the Koran the one and only way
anyone is guaranteed a direct & unimpeded
entrance into "Paradise" is to murder as
many human beings as possible while
committing suicide yourself "for God.")

The redeeming peculiarity of Judaism
is told in the story of God asking Abraham
to sacrifice his son--a common practice
in the Middle East then. [Hundreds of years
later, as the Romans were threatening to
destroy Carthage, the "great" Hannibal
ordered the "sacrifice" of Carthaginian
children, including his own--the Romans,
however, were not impressed by this
pious gesture and eventually wiped
Carthage off the map]: But at the last
moment the Hebrew God stops Abraham's
sacrifice, signaling an end to the practice
of human sacrifice from that moment on
--at least for the Jews).

The problem, of course, is fundamental
(and even a humanistic religion like
Judaism escapes it not): There is no god,
of any form/manner or shape; therefore
very human, very mortal men (whether
crazy, wicked, or just plain criminal) are
the ones who "speak" for these "gods."
Ultimately they become the greatest and
most terrible of tyrants (as in modern day
Iran). Someone who knows he has NOT
spoken to any god and yet lies about it
for the sake of personal gains is exactly
the kind of vile/contemptible liar who is
minister of God, whether pastor or imam.

Only when religion (in any & every shape,
manner, and form) is denied a hand in
the governance of men, can men truly
experience freedom. Because only then
can men rule themselves according to their
needs. And that is an absolute without
any qualifications whatsoever.

Only when these "so-called democratic"
popular protests begin calling for secular
governments will they be truly democratic
revolutions. And I don't see that happening
yet, or even any time soon. Sorry to say.

S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com

http://islamisbad.com

The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

.

[Anthony Buckland]

Post by Aardvark
Is freedom a religious or secular idea?
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2011/02/a_freedom_agenda/all.html?hpid=talkbox1
Freedom is an absolutely (impossible to
How can anyone possibly conceive of the
illogical and utterly ridiculous notion of
human freedom within the concept of a
lifetime observing/worshipping a "being"
(or creature) "higher" than man?!? Under
such obvious conditions of uncontestable
subservience man becomes a mere slave
(of secondary or little importance even
to himself): Only God is important. Man
matters little or not at all. ...

Well argued. However, it seems to be a key
principle in the Roman Catholic church that
God gave humans freedom to decide to worship
God, the idea being that only thus could true
worship be made. Sort of related to the idea
that you can't make another human love you,
they have to choose to. Caveat: this is their
religion, not mine -- to me, freedom is a
product of our evolution.

[Aardvark]

On Feb 18, 6:03 pm, sarge

On 18 Feb, 22:18, Aardvark

Existence which is NOT deterministic is
Insanity.

And by the way, you restricted it to only
determinism. How is there
freedom in a deterministic universe?

I~?

In a non-deterministic universe banana peel
unmade bed. That little cusp which pops out
when one opens a can of Coke. Darius's beard,
a fluffy Puff. How dare you! Candle wax. Hoy
(fried cat's paws). Somebody stole my bicycle!
Betcha I can toss my rocks further than you.
Ketchup soup? Which planet did you say this
was? Uranium cake. How much did you pay for
this? Worm. While strolling through the park one
stolen hub cap, crematorium. You see my point?

You don't have to be a genius to understand this.
Every dog on earth knows this: Watch any dog
and you'll NEVER see it stop before entering a
room and looking to see that it's still a room
before entering. He'll just enter, because he
knows "instinctively" (that means that the
universe has written these instructions into
his brain over millions of years) that the room
he remembers having been there before is there
still and will always be there until somebody
burns down the house for the insurance money.
And he will then never again bother to go to that
room which isn't there any more. Simple stuff.

And for Frankensteiners who tell you that in
super-small places the universe ceases to be
deterministic and becomes Magical! Ask then
how comes it then entanglement works (most
of the time if not all of the time) deterministically.
As does everything else they eventually take
the time to study with time, instead of just
coming up with The Answer instantly. NO:

The answer is that there is NO real freedom
in a deterministic universe, just the brain
fooling itself. The brain is a marvelous tool:
It evolved to predict the future (in an utterly
deterministic universe, that's pretty much
the thing one can do, and ought to do better).
[The future is ALL in the past. Find it there!]
Also, as an aside, the creature carrying the
brain is bound to develop an insanity or two
(especially if it comes to realize it's just a
dumb vehicle for carrying the brain around),
so the brain concocts a fantasy for the poor sap
in which it (he/she) is actually the driver! Ha!
Ha! Ha! What a poor sap!

Somewhere in The Higher Brain there must be
a couple of million cells who, knowing this,
are rolling on the floor laughing their tentacles
off. Now I'm going to type more... Yeah, sure:
You're going to the can. Okay.

Bye now,

S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com

http://islamisbad.com

The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

Learn or rue!

.


RE:


Is freedom a religious or secular idea?

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2011/02/a_freedom_agenda/all.html?hpid=talkbox1

Freedom is an absolutely (impossible to
separate from) secular idea/principle:
How can anyone possibly conceive of the
illogical and utterly ridiculous notion of
human freedom within the concept of a
lifetime observing/worshipping a "being"
(or creature) "higher" than man?!? Under
such obvious conditions of uncontestable
subservience man becomes a mere slave
(of secondary or little importance even
to himself): Only God is important. Man
matters little or not at all. Therefore, if
men must be sacrificed for the sake of
God, what possible objection could a
mere man raise?!? (And so it is in Islam,
where in the Koran the one and only way
anyone is guaranteed a direct & unimpeded
entrance into "Paradise" is to murder as
many human beings as possible while
committing suicide yourself "for God.")

The redeeming peculiarity of Judaism
is told in the story of God asking Abraham
to sacrifice his son--a common practice
in the Middle East then. [Hundreds of years
later, as the Romans were threatening to
destroy Carthage, the "great" Hannibal
ordered the "sacrifice" of Carthaginian
children, including his own--the Romans,
however, were not impressed by this
pious gesture and eventually wiped
Carthage off the map]: But at the last
moment the Hebrew God stops Abraham's
sacrifice, signaling an end to the practice
of human sacrifice from that moment on
--at least for the Jews).

The problem, of course, is fundamental
(and even a humanistic religion like
Judaism escapes it not): There is no god,
of any form/manner or shape; therefore
very human, very mortal men (whether
crazy, wicked, or just plain criminal) are
the ones who "speak" for these "gods."
Ultimately they become the greatest and
most terrible of tyrants (as in modern day
Iran). Someone who knows he has NOT
spoken to any god and yet lies about it
for the sake of personal gains is exactly
the kind of vile/contemptible liar who is
minister of God, whether pastor or imam.

Only when religion (in any & every shape,
manner, and form) is denied a hand in
the governance of men, can men truly
experience freedom. Because only then
can men rule themselves according to their
needs. And that is an absolute without
any qualifications whatsoever.

Only when these "so-called democratic"
popular protests begin calling for secular
governments will they be truly democratic
revolutions. And I don't see that happening
yet, or even any time soon. Sorry to say.

S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com

http://islamisbad.com

The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

.

[ccc31807]

Post by Aardvark
Only when religion (in any & every shape,
manner, and form) is denied a hand in
the governance of men, can men truly
experience freedom. Because only then
can men rule themselves according to their
needs. And that is an absolute without
any qualifications whatsoever.

This conclusion depends on how you define 'freedom.'

If you define 'freedom' as triumph over death and sin, you need to
have the concept of a God who embodies life and perfection. We as
natural creatures must suffer a natural death, and we are manifestly
imperfect. If we seek eternal life (which can't be life in a body of
flesh) or seek to become perfect (for example, to merge with the
Eternal) we must have a concept of a being that has the attributes of
the eternally perfect.

If you define 'freedom' as a perfectly free will, you also need to
have a concept of a God that transcends human imperfection. We all
acknowledge that our wills are subject to all sorts of constraints (of
which the physical constraints are the most trivial, we can't 'will'
to fly simply by flapping our arms). In order to free our wills of
that which limits those wills, we must have a concept of a being that
frees our wills from the limitations the physical world.

One interesting concept of free will is the will to submit to the
Creator, as in Islam. If Allah is the Creator and Sustainer of the
universe, then Allah's perfect will should also be our perfect will,
and our highest calling would be to submit everything thing to Allah's
will. Unfortunately, reasonable people differ on the subject of God's
will, and we don't have any objective, human reference that points to
any objectively provable or empirical Godly will. Therefore, we have
concepts like the priesthood of the believer, or soul competency (if
you are Protestant at any rate), which ABSOLUTELY implies freedom of
religion.

Finally, and most importantly, I believe that the idea that we are
created in God's image forms the foundation and basis for the idea of
freedom. If each of us has the image of God stamped indelibly upon us,
no person has the right to be lord of master of anyone. I don't see
any rationale for the idea of universal freedom in the absence of this
kind of religious belief.

CC.

[Aardvark]

Just Who IS radicalizing All These Muslims?

One hears a lot of bunk about this Joe or that
bunch of Joes radicalizing your guy--and I can
hardly believe my ears! If we follow this train of
thought to its logical conclusion then we must
say that poor Osama bin Laden was the victim
of radicalization by some bad guy or other and
we should pity him or something. Maybe try to
bring him unto the path of "true Islam." Bosh!

The un-politically correct fact is that all these
radicalized Muslims ALL were and ALL are being
radicalized by one source and only one source
--and that is Islam itself (and more specifically
still: the Koran, which in no uncertain terms
commands Muslims to "instill terror in the hearts
of non-Muslims," as in the infamous verse):

[8:12] I will cast terror into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=267454

This is an indisputable call for the murder of non-
Muslims. [Yes, other religions call for the murder
of disbelievers. The problem is that no Christians
or Jews are going around butchering people strictly
as "a religious duty" the way Muslims are doing,
and have been doing for nearly 15 centuries now.]
Why don't they stop? Because ALL Muslims are
taught since childhood that the Koran is the Word
of God, and to disobey even a single one of its
commands must be instantly punished by death
(a sentence which has, in fact, been carried out
a number of well documented times in our day).
This is NOT some theoretical exercise but a most
deadly practical one:

... One document (from al-Qaida training manuals
discovered in Afghanistan) began with an explanation
of the instructor's goals: "God Almighty has ordered
us to terrorize his enemies," it reads. "In compliance
with God's order and his Prophet's order..."

What Muslim can read this and doubt that his duty
is terrorism? I am truly amazed that there are so
FEW actual Islamic terrorists--Probably due to the
fact that most Muslims have never studied or even
once read the Koran: One thing is certain (and can
anybody doubt this?): EVERY Islamic terrorist is a
pious and dutiful student of the Koran (unlike
every Muslim who is NOT a terrorist).

And THAT is the most telling fact of all.

Will it be "discovered" by Rep. King's so prissy
and professional Congressional hearing? Ha!

There is no practical way for anyone to counter the
argument that a Muslim ought not to be a terrorist
outside of forcing him to admit that the Koran is
NOT the Word of God ... but the swindle of some
criminal boss who wanted his gang to be able to
murder for profit without the slightest hesitation.

http://islamisbad.com

These people are not being radicalized by their
local (or even their most distant) pals but by Islam
itself, by the Koran ... by the assurances which
every Muslim receives from birth that the trust of
Islam is the unquestioned absolute "perfection of
truth" which is the Koran: This is why NO MUSLIM
will disavow, denounce, or condemn the passages
in the Koran commanding them to murder their
fellow-Americans who happen to be non-Muslims.
[Surprise!] This is why Muslims know that the
Congressional panel under Rep. King will be hard-
pressed to find one single Muslim who will step
forth and repudiate even the most notoriously
egregious passage in the Koran [if one is ever
asked to do so] and still hope to remain a Muslim.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

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I fail to see why ANY Japanese person would
have had any objections to a Congressional
inquiry into whether Japanese-Americans were
engaged in acts of sabotage/terrorism against
the United States: From all I've ever heard
there were no significant pro-Japan actions
by Japanese-Americans anywhere in the
United States during World War II.

On the contrary: I would imagine, in fact, that
it might have been the Japanese-American
community itself which would have been
clamoring for a Congressional investigation
into their patriotism... knowing such an
investigation would have fully exonerated them.

http://islamisbad.com

I can understand why Muslims might object
to such an inquiry, though, because NO
MUSLIM will disavow, denounce, or condemn
the passages in the Koran commanding
them to murder their fellow-Americans who
happen to be non-Muslims. [Surprise!]
Therefore, Muslims know that the Congressional
panel will be hard-pressed to find a single
Muslim who will repudiate even the most
notoriously egregious passage in the Koran.

Albeit, as a curiosity, personally, I would
be interested in hearing one of them do it.
You know ... see what happens.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

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Rep. Peter King's hearings on Islamic radicalization:
Fuel for the bigots" RE:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030703896.html

The Islamofacism enablers among us have
gotten into the incredible habit of calling
those who only wish to point out the truth,
the facts: "bigots." [Is it bigotry to say that
people have feet at the end of their legs?]
These suicidal name-callers are hopeless
contemptible morons themselves [sic] whose
self-loathing is putting Western Civilization
and our very lives (because a great many of
us will fight to save our freedom) at risk.

The evil nature of Islam is beyond denial.
And anybody who denies it is self-evidently
& without one single doubt: a liar.

Now, the Koran commands Muslims to lie
to non-Muslims as a religious duty. In fact,
the Koran commands Muslims to keep the
Koran itself from being read by non-Muslims
(because, after all, nobody wants to give
the plan for conquest to those who are
to be conquered). However, this religious
"duty" was promulgated at a time when it
was possible for the Muslims to keep the
Koran from being obtained by non-Muslims.
Today the Koran is freely available to be
read in the Internet--And I advise everybody
to read it (including those Muslims who
genuinely ingenuously may not really
understand the truly evil nature of the
murderous cult they are helping to inflict
upon an innocent world). Begin here:

http://islamisbad.com

It is time somebody explains this to the world
in no uncertain language. And I commend all
who are decent enough to do it ... and tough
enough to weather the undeserved opprobrium
heaped upon them for merely speaking out the
truth.

S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com

http://islamisbad.com

The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

************************************

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2011&month=01

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If King were holding hearings on the dangers
of National Socialism (Nazism) I am sure most
Nazis would want to short-circuit them before
they even got started: Nazis know full well
that nothing good for them could possibly come
out of any objective focus on Nazism.

And in the same manner Muslims know full well
that there is about as much chance of anything
coming out of any objective focus on Islam that
will make them look good as there is about any
objective focus on Nazism making Hitler come
out looking like the Prophet of Good (because,
let's face it: objectively, there is about as much
good in Islam as there is in National Socialism).

Islam, like the Nazism most 1930s imams embraced
as a kindred philosophy, is all about world conquest
and the complete domination of the human race.

SIRS: http://islamisbad.com

The ONLY place that spouts the good of National
Socialism is a NAZI propaganda outlet, just as
the ONLY place that spouts anything good about
Islam is a Muslim propaganda outlet (and their
amazingly suicidal Western enablers). And the
Muslims who are protesting King's hearings know
this perfectly well.

And please don't confuse the mindless butchery
in Oklahoma City, Waco, or Phoenix with the
jihadic genocide Muslims have unleashed
upon the world: Those murderers Oklahoma
City, Waco, Phoenix, etc., were mentally
damaged persons in some way or other, and
had no purpose or reason for their crimes
outside their demented skulls. Those insane
murders advanced no cause, and had no
reason for taking place other than some mental
aberration in the minds of the sick, sick, sick
perpetrators. (Which isn't always acknowledged
by the law.)

The ongoing butchery that Islam promotes, and
has been promoting in the world since before
the death of Mohammed in the year 615 AD, on
the other hand, is part of a neverending jihad
determined either to turn the world into Muslims
or butcher those who refuse to become Muslims.

It makes no sense to look into the reasons for
Oklahoma City, Waco, or Phoenix outside of a
purely psychological interest. On the other hand,
it makes perfect sense to look into the ongoing
Islamic world-wide jihad against non-Muslims
in the interest of possibly saving either our
culture and civilization, or our very lives.

S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com

http://islamisbad.com

The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

.

[Aardvark]

wrote:In article ><42257a13-eee7-43b2-b2d6-8aa8442ab...

@b8g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,

Post by Aardvark
Just Who IS radicalizing All These Muslims?

snipped;
the policies of the racist Neo-Cons.

Would you know?
Did racist muslims enslave Africans and sell them
in America?

START QUOTE

One of the most bizarre manifestations of
African-American pride is its contemporary
identification with Islam. The Nation of
Islam (Black Muslim movement) plays on
the racism against black people by white
people hence you hear them use terms
like "white devils", etc.

The Muslim Hadith says Muhammad was a
white man, so Black Muslims actually serve
Islamic whites, even though they speak
against whites.

Meanwhile, the Muslim Hadith says the
following about blacks: Narrated Anas bin
Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen
to and obey, your ruler even if he was an
Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks
like a raisin." (Sahih Bukhari Volume 9,
Book 89, Number 256)

Hadith; vol.9:162,163: Muhammad warned
that dreams of black women meant disease
was forthcoming. Black Muslims today are
so uninformed that they don't even understand
that Muhammad had many black slaves and
called them raisin heads (Hadith vol.1:662,
vol.9:256 )

Muslims are told that Africans “annoy the
Prophet” (Ishaq 243), have hearts “grosser
than a donkey” (Surah 9:61) and that blacks
should be left to die if injured, and should
be denied intercession and entrance to heaven
(Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 137).

Yet and still Louis Farrakan and his followers
will tell us the lie that Christianity is the white
man's religion. Jesus came for all regardless
of color, but Black Islam is especially designed
just to lead Black folks to hell! It was the
peaceful Christian's in America who stopped
all slavery here.

The story goes that in 1930 Allah appeared
to the people of Detroit in the form of a
mysterious man named “Fard.” Allah’s human
form seemed to be of African and Arab
descent and claimed to have been born in
Mecca, a descendent of the prophet Muhammad.
He preached a message of racial identity and
claimed that Islam was the true religion of
the black people of America before they
were robbed of it by the White man.

In fact, Fard was really just a small-time
conman named Wallace Dodd Ford, who
served three years in San Quentin for drug-
dealing. He drifted into Detroit at a time
when many African-Americans were
beginning to form racial identity groups
around charismatic personalities such as
Marcus Garvey. Of course, race consciousness
was hardly just a “black thing” at the time,
as the 1920’s were also when Ku Klux Klan
influence peaked in America.

Interestingly, Ford was neither of African
nor Arab descent, as he claimed. He was a
mix of European and Polynesian. But he did
recognize an opportunity when he saw one,
and the street preacher soon built up quite
a following among those who could appreciate
an overtly racist theology that persists to
this day in spite of its zaniness.

According to Ford, and his Nation of Islam,
Africans were the original and only people of
the world (divine and uncorrupted) before
whites were invented by an evil scientist
named Yakub in a malicious experiment with
tragic consequences. Islam is the true religion,
and, at some point, a spaceship will be sent
by Allah to exterminate the white people from
the earth.

Another sad aspect of Black Muslims is that
many African-Americans are drawn to Islam
out of racial pride, thinking that there is
some sort of association with Africa. Muslim
evangelicals in the black communities and
in prisons often play this up in an attempt to
persuade the gullible into rejecting Christianity
as the “white man’s religion.”

In the First place, Christianity in Africa predates
Islam by almost 600 years. Christian missionaries
were on the African continent within two decades
of the Crucifixion. Secondly, unlike Christianity,
Islam had no interest in missionary hospitals or
the poor. Arab contact with Black Africa was
for one purpose only, plain and simple. That
same as it is now: slavery. The awful truth is
that Arabs ravaged Africa for more than 1000
years before Europeans ever got their hands
on black slaves. These black Muslim slaves
died from over work and lived in squalor. By
contrast, the four million slaves brought to
America over the course of 200 years managed
to leave the most prosperous group of African
descendents on the planet. Today a man of
African descent is President of the United
States in no small part because of the political
power of those descendants of American slaves.

Orthodox Islam does not want to be identified
with the Black Muslim movement in America.
It is seen as heretical and is not considered part
of Islam.

Antichrist

End Time Beheadings and Revelation 20:4:

Some Christians and ex-Muslims see a direct
correlation between Islam and the Book of
Revelation about the "end times". It is interesting
to note that Revelation 20:4 tells that the faithful
Believers in Jesus will be beheaded. One only
has to look at militant Islam today to make this
correlation. Islam is the only religion that
commands this barbaric custom of beheading.
They do this everywhere today to those they call
"infidels". The Qur'an commands in Surah 47:4
"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield,
strike off their heads..." To fundamental Muslims,
the entire world including your own home is their
"battlefield".

It is all a war of spiritual forces. The god Allah
is opposing the God of Israel everywhere in the
world today. Allah will be defeated in the end.
And so will his millions of mindless followers he
controls.

END QUOTE

from
http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com

http://islamisbad.com

The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

*******************************
Just Who IS radicalizing All These Muslims?

One hears a lot of bunk about this Joe or that
bunch of Joes radicalizing your guy--and I can
hardly believe my ears! If we follow this train of
thought to its logical conclusion then we must
say that poor Osama bin Laden was the victim
of radicalization by some bad guy or other and
we should pity him or something. Maybe try to
bring him unto the path of "true Islam." Bosh!

The un-politically correct fact is that all these
radicalized Muslims ALL were and ALL are being
radicalized by one source and only one source
--and that is Islam itself (and more specifically
still: the Koran, which in no uncertain terms
commands Muslims to "instill terror in the hearts
of non-Muslims," as in the infamous verse):

[8:12] I will cast terror into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=267454

This is an indisputable call for the murder of non-
Muslims. [Yes, other religions call for the murder
of disbelievers. The problem is that no Christians
or Jews are going around butchering people strictly
as "a religious duty" the way Muslims are doing,
and have been doing for nearly 15 centuries now.]
Why don't they stop? Because ALL Muslims are
taught since childhood that the Koran is the Word
of God, and to disobey even a single one of its
commands must be instantly punished by death
(a sentence which has, in fact, been carried out
a number of well documented times in our day).
This is NOT some theoretical exercise but a most
deadly practical one:

... One document (from al-Qaida training manuals
discovered in Afghanistan) began with an explanation
of the instructor's goals: "God Almighty has ordered
us to terrorize his enemies," it reads. "In compliance
with God's order and his Prophet's order..."

What Muslim can read this and doubt that his duty
is terrorism? I am truly amazed that there are so
FEW actual Islamic terrorists--Probably due to the
fact that most Muslims have never studied or even
once read the Koran: One thing is certain (and can
anybody doubt this?): EVERY Islamic terrorist is a
pious and dutiful student of the Koran (unlike
every Muslim who is NOT a terrorist).

And THAT is the most telling fact of all.

Will it be "discovered" by Rep. King's so prissy
and professional Congressional hearing? Ha!

There is no practical way for anyone to counter the
argument that a Muslim ought not to be a terrorist
outside of forcing him to admit that the Koran is
NOT the Word of God ... but the swindle of some
criminal boss who wanted his gang to be able to
murder for profit without the slightest hesitation.

http://islamisbad.com

These people are not being radicalized by their
local (or even their most distant) pals but by Islam
itself, by the Koran ... by the assurances which
every Muslim receives from birth that the trust of
Islam is the unquestioned absolute "perfection of
truth" which is the Koran: This is why NO MUSLIM
will disavow, denounce, or condemn the passages
in the Koran commanding them to murder their
fellow-Americans who happen to be non-Muslims.
[Surprise!] This is why Muslims know that the
Congressional panel under Rep. King will be hard-
pressed to find one single Muslim who will step
forth and repudiate even the most notoriously
egregious passage in the Koran [if one is ever
asked to do so] and still hope to remain a Muslim.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

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